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my vote was to stay and your vote was to leave ... so they should have canceled each other out ... since each of us get a half a vote ... whatever!!! What really matters is we need to see what happens next and move forward!!!

Surf Cat, no one's "slinging shit" here. It's a debate, argue your point. Which Is?? My point is that the ESA pulled out "prematurely". I agreed with you that the timing of the Prime was not the best, but a decision was made to move forward with it. ESA took issue with HOW that decision was made and THEN the ESA turns around, does the exact same thing, and shoves it up the memberships ass by "withdrawing" from Surfing America? Are you kidding me? What? ESA doesn't get their way and takes their ball and goes home? The ESA decision has far worse effects in completely taking the US out of reach for it's members. So instead of you being stoked for the Central Jerz Groms who did great at the Prime you complain? Was this ESA season a waste of money? Absolutely? Yeah people chased their points to make the Regionals to make an Easterns that doesn't matter. The ESA has effectively made itself irrelevant and left it's surfers without a championship next year. Yeah, sure they will get in the next US Championship as the ESA chose to leave after this years Easterns. Don't be N- A- I- V-E... Relax a little and do your best as Coach. If anything those kids will need some positive direction not a coach who is going to harp on surfing politics and complain how "Surfing America is conspiring to keep a brutha down"...

Just an FYI....HASA is not very happy or interested in the "WAY" Surfing America has handled their business. TGSA has already left Surfing America in August 2009, after the SA Board Meeting. NSSA was on the fence about Surfing America back in August, but opted to stay in for reasons that only Janice knows. "My point"....if you will.....don't go pissin off your business partners when your suppose to communicate and work with them. It's kinda like when someone offers you a position in an up and coming company in the industry. The way you handle yourself in the office and out of the office is very essential to a good professional relationship. However, if you get a couple stiff drinks in you after office hours and that turns into a "go screw yourself!" to your potential new business partner, that's not going to promote a good positive professional relationship. In turn, what comes from that is, you lose your postion in the up and coming company in the industry and your right back to square one where you started with no chance to move up on that corporate ladder. But hey, everyone's got goals. It depends on what yours are?? My goals are for a positive end result. Who knows what will happen in 9 months from now. The ESA and Surfing America could possibly communicate and work their differences out?? It's a thought...it could happen. I know I personally would love to see all the orgs on that "Brought to you by.....etc." Banner when our CNJ Kids and the rest of the jersey crew are taking to the their heat in Cali, representin and make a name for themselves. I'm back to my office....enjoy the good weather while it's here!

Congrats again at the intense conditions up in Montauk for the 1st Prime Event!
Pat Schmidt-2010 Allstar
Andrew Rooney-Alternate 2010
Jessica Kwecinski

HASA is not even part of Surfing America. They have their own team in the ISA as they are recognized as their seperate nation as the "Founder" of Surfing (Hawaii)...As for an "up & coming company", that looks to have stalled, in that one of those issues were lack of full financial disclosure and gross undercapitalization. Not to be too kryptic or discuss that on this forum; the "up & coming" aspect of that company may not occur for the same reasons that caused me concern. As for Goals, some people have already achieved their goals and simply set new ones. "I love you man"...

Just a quick FYI. HSA (they dropped Amateur from their name a few years ago and returned to their original name, Hawaii Surfing Association) IS a member of Surfing America. The Hawaiian surfers have the choice of surfing for the Hawaii team or the US team when it comes to ISA sanctioned events though. I've exchanged emails with Jack Shipley and HSA is very interested in a Prime Series as well.

Thanks TK for the clarification. I thought the HSA had changed it's name but wasn't sure. Had no idea that the HSA was a member of Surfing America. That's good news, and stoked Shipley is feeling the love.

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Hello Right Coasters, this is Julie Doyle and I am president of the TGSA. I would like to "reach out" to the east coast and "clarify" that TGSA has indeed left the building. Sorry for the sarcasm with the political surfspeak words such as: "reach out", "clarity", "transparency", etc. but words like that leave a bad taste in my mouth these days, and it is time to move on. I sent out an email after the Aug SA board meeting informing them of our withdrawal, and if we are still in, how come I no longer recieve SA board emails? I also spoke with Mike G last week to confirm as we had not removed the SA logo from our site. It has now been removed from our site. TGSA does not see the need for prime and did not support it as did at least 2 other member orgs. There are member orgs who support it, mostly CA, but TGSA was not one of them. TGSA's stand on what an NGB should be is not condusive to what SA has rapidly evovled into. TGSA feels that a good NGB should fully support its member orgs, not go into direct competition with them by holding contests in our territories which we work very hard to develop on volunteer time, and top it off, make it mandantory. Could Surfing America listened more to what their member orgs wanted? You bet. They should have had several options on the table instead of just shoving Prime down our throats and closing their ears to our input. If you want your competitors to spend time with the US Team Coach, then why not affer up a program such as intense grom training clinics with Ian, mock heats, stacked heats, brought to our territories by SA? Surely the presence of a computer on the beach does not bring up the level of surfing. God, I hope not. I hope the level of surfing comes from talent, hard work and the drive to win. What's next from these guys besides striving for world domination using more heavy handed tactics? Thanks, but no thanks. TGSA wishes the best for ESA. We know how it feels to make tough decisions for a member org you hold dear to your heart, but in the end you have to do what's right and what happend and the way it went down just wasn't right. For The Kids; what about all the other competitors? we're not feeling it. Julie Doyle President TGSA

Julie, thanks for chiming in. Did Surf Cat send you an email Sorry nothing personal, but the surf in Texas?? How many people down there surf??

behave masco..... you should not pick on the 'surf-deprived'. besides the gulf surf assoc. are famous for the politics they play ....over the years there have been many changes and re-organizations. i would be shocked if the average surfer in the gulf could explain just who is in charge of the region. even if they are out of Surfing America, their reasons as stated are different.....but it's still a case of 'take my ball and go home' SA is the NGO and it would be better to work for change within the existing system than to run off and hide in one's own little corner of the surfing world.

i am still so fucking lost on what is happening for adult divisions?????????????
so how am i going to possibly make it to the US Championships next year in the Mens division???
Switch to NSSA or stay in ESA???
I like ESA ALOT goodwin and surfcat are great dudes, lots of contests, no BS and i really cant stand south jersey kids so I dont really want to go ocean city 3x.
but can someone help me with what to do?

I love the ESA as well and Goodwin does a great job. However, this upcoming season does not lead to the US Championships IF the ESA Administrators don't get their heads out of their asses. The 2009 Season and Septembers Easterns however do provide slots for the US in the Adult Divisions if you scored in Hat. Those slots will be determined at Surfing America's February Board meeting. That is for the adult divisions only. The grommies have to go through The Prime Series which invites are based on Easterns results. That is an awesome opportunity for the kids. Every grommie should have that opportunity to go to the US Championships at least once in their surfing career.

Hey Leroy,
How are you? TGSA and Texans don't hide in a corner from anybody. TGSA has decided to take our competitors on a different path and it is primarily DUE to all the politics that you seem to be hung up on. That's cool, if that's what floats your boat, knock your self out. Is there surf in Texas? What corner have you been hiding in? Are there surfers in Texas? Are you kidding me? SSHHHH! don't tell anybody!! Also, don't forget about mainland mex being our backyard as well: 14 hours straight to pascuales, and my guys own it when they are there. Why? Because we have been going there for like 35 years and are treated like familia. We have witnessed literally the lives of 3 to 4 generations of the locals there. Check out my website: mikedoylecustomsurfboards.com. 90% of the shots on there are from Texas. Also check out the results from USA Champs in HB August. Texas had a good showing considering only 15 members went. I am proud to be a Texan born and raised on the Gulf. We are the only state that gets to fly our flag even with the USA flag, remember the Alamo, BRO!! How about all those Miss. Texas beauty queens!! How many times did Miss New Jersey win? I'm just messing wih you. Have a great day, and if you ever make it down to God's country LOOK US UP!! I'm out. Peace!!

lady...chill out..nobody really cares about texas or the gulf coast anyway this is a JERSEY surf forum

Look, DingleQueen, no offense intended. You chimed in on the issue and I poked some fun at your "red neck" Surfers. No worries. I'm sure you guys own Mainland Mex. when they go, aas you say. Not relevant for the purposes of this topic. Surfing America is the Governing Body for US Amatuer Surfing, period. I object to the ESA pulling out without at least consulting the membership at large, at least polling the membership. Many of our Forum Members are also ESA Members, none of which are TSA Members. Sorry.